Weird that so much of the imageboard culture has been absorbed by social media and Discord... For some reason I always thought the average imageboard-goer would loathe social media and adopt other means of communication by default, like IRC, Mumble or XMPP.

>>69
People end up bending the knee to them and it sucks, but of course it happens. Pretty sure these places are dying and people feel like they have better prospects in places where people go more often.

>>69
>>70
I'd imagine that a big part of it is kids who flocked to 4chan after the 2016 election and branched out to other imageboards/textboards. Everytime I've seen these kinds of servers/chats or whatever, that's all it's been. MAGA frog profile pics, twitch memes, white American high school kids. Pretty insufferable.
(Watch these exact kids respond to me angrily for saying 'white kids' with some /pol/ memery...)

>>51
The design of tools determine their mode of interaction. It is much harder to eat sushi with a fork than with chopsticks. However it is much easier to use a fork to eat spaghetti. If all you have is a fork, you will eat a lot of spaghetti, and not a lot of sushi. Similarly, chat clients encourage certain type of behaviour, and discourage others. Discord has built in capabilities to make low-effort shitposting easy, and very few capabilities to make in-depth discussion easy. So you will get lots of shitposting, and very little in depth discussion. These things are predictable.

>>70

have better prospects

This is a pretty amusing premise, don't you think?
What does one really gain?

I've gone through some online friends and the only thing I have found is that I am just running away from myself.

Discord was a mistake

>>69
I am what you would've called a "normalfag" back then and I think many anons underestimated the worth of being into imageboards. I always had wierd shit to show to my friends and it broadened my tastes in all types of media (music, film, vidya, animu/mango) while also having the brutal honesty from people all over the world right infront of me. If you aren't socially awkward and have IRL friends and hobbies besides IBs I'd call them an asset. At least they helped me quite a bit in life, one way or another.

This will probably sound entirely fabricated but even one of my ex gfs said that my knowledge and interest in IBs would make me an interesting person. So yeah, so called "normies" like me are like leeches. That's why so much of the chan culture leaked into the mainstream. Not long ago you were a cool hipster in certain circles if you browsed IBs. I mean it's a different story nowadays since everyone and their mother knows about 4chan and memes now originate on twitter and other social media but back in 2008 until ~ 2015/16 I'd say you could use it as a boost. Sure you wouldn't impress absolute normalfags with it but with the right presentation and social skills you were the cool kid among some people. And people noticed. This whole "cancer" theory was entirely true the whole time. If no one would've talked about /b/...

>>75

So yeah, so called "normies" like me are like leeches.

I've been calling human beings parasitoids for years

>>76

Edgy!

>>69
>>70
Or they ended up on fediverse which is some weird W3C email social media, any image board goer should loathe for permanent namefaging/tripfaging but they don't. Says alot.

>>78
The Fediverse is great. It is like the usual social media without any of the problems.

>>79

without any of the problems

The microblog implementations (other than Mastodon) are great, but the culture is generally awful no matter where you go. One claim about the Fediverse is that it has much more "real" communities since they aren't manipulated by corporate interest like that of twitter, but keeping those communities together only makes them even worse, in the ways that they are already bad on other forms of social media. I've used Fedi exclusively for two years, and the degree of childishness and complete lack of self awareness maintained by the majority of users is legitimately exhausting.

>>80
I have not seen such problems, but then, I stick to the "weird" parts of the Fediverse.

>>81
What parts do you consider to be weird? shitposter.club "weird", or witches.live "weird"? The latter Mastodon bubble is what I'm referring to.

>>79
Idk what to say, I wanted anonymous imageboard without real life degradation, not social media. Fediverse in totally is better then 90% of social media I'm assuming but I don't rate or use literal social media.

>>83
I never really liked Fediverse stuff since it's still social media, but Mastodon was ok I guess. Still twitter basically though.

>>82
The former is what I try to avoid, so... I'm sort of glad that I've managed to stay away from the cesspools where you congregate. Chan culture needs to stay on chans. I prefer instances like Cryptids.Online before it went down.

>>85
I involve myself with neither, but what I've observed is that while the "cesspools" are just edgy banter, the quirky Masto communities are actually incredibly toxic, with extremely reactionary antics, groupthink, and endless amounts of purity spiralling. Also a depressing lack of individuation, so much of the behavior is the same stuff cycled for months, and nothing interesting ever happening. uwu soft LARPers are insufferable at this point.

Need a new antisocial networking meta instead of bumping a discord link but I think this conversation doesn't have much more.
>>86
Are you sure that those incredibly toxic communities are truly just not LARPing with occasional idiots thinking they're in good company at most going on a shooting in the name of those communities? You wouldn't seem to like them either way since it's the same rehashed act at this point.

>>86

Also a depressing lack of individuation, so much of the behavior is the same stuff cycled for months

This applies to most things. Everyone is the same online and have been for a while. It has gotten boring but maybe I just grew up and don't find repetition amusing anymore.
>>87
It depends on kind of "toxic community" it is. Actual extreme politics websites are honestly pretty rare, with most parroting their opinions to get a rise out of people. Most who would do things like that are on different protocols anyway for privacy.

>>88
If they're parroting opinions purely to get a rise out of people it probably isn't their opinions. You could use the "toxic" wording for what they call "grifters" though, which is what runs those sites for the money and possibly the larp.

Most who would do things like that are on different protocols anyway for privacy.

You're giving them too much credit unless it's pigeon and sneaker networking. There is a minority that tries still.

I've been thinking how it would be the perfect internet anon community for the last few days. So far I've come to two conclusions:

-It has to be slow. Quality of posts often comes inversely proportionated to how fast the posting is. Anyone who has lurked streaming chats knows this. Not only you can make longer, more thoughful posts, but also you can stay on topic for longer. I remember when someone linked 8chan's /cyber/ on /g/ and I was amazed on how long the posts were, that was how I imagined the old internet was. It also makes for a smaller, tighter community,

-No media, only text. I'm still a bit skeptical about this since images can add a lot of value, but mostly it's just noise. No images would mean no porn or avatarfagging who would keep sexual deviant groomers away. It would also discourage dopamine fried kids to post.

Now the real challenge is how to build the community, so far I think the best method is to start with a very niche topic to discuss (like some obscure anime) and build upon it. Another challenge is gatekeeping, it's clear you need to keep retards away but if you gatekeep too much you risk becoming a circlejerk like your typical small Discord server.

>>90
It should be fun and enjoyable to use first of all, the whole reason people use slow textboards is because they enjoy reading the thought put into posts, but if you focus too heavily on something like that it becomes unfun to post in like the Hacker News.
Secondly, I think it is a fool's errand to try and make a perfect constructed community. I'm sure it has been done but it leads to every user having their own idea about what the site is, especially if it is artificially built. Look at /tea/ for example.
Also, I have noticed some fatigue about anime discussion, especially with everyone trying to make their own anime discussion site. Perhaps give some already-existing ones your attention and love than trying to construct one.
I do agree about text-only being a nice format, but it is not the only way to keep avatarfagging and that sort of behavior away, neo-meguca (I know, I know) simply forced anonymity and that kept the most obnoxious identities out.
Just some food for thought.

Yeah, I agree you can't consciously make a perfect community. It's basically a matter of luck, if you put artificial barriers you'll only attract elitist users (the bad kind of elitist). Security by obscurity, as some anon mentioned above, is the better method.
The anime thing is just an example, a better topic would be some creative hobby rather than something you just passively consume.
Maybe textboards are the future of anon internet culture. I'm also hoping for a return to html personal sites, neocities style. A more decentralized internet would be exciting.

An online acquaintance and I very briefly had a forum for glossopoeia. I'd like to try something like that again, but I am an impatient person. The last few times I started a collaborative project I left due to inactivity. I simply don't have the discipline or motivation to carry everyone else.

>>93
The lojban board (https://jbotcan.org) is pretty dead. Maybe you could try being more patient considering how niche your interests/hobbies probably are.

>>92

Maybe textboards are the future of anon internet culture.

Careful, remember what happened when that was used on imageboards.

>>90

Quality of posts often comes inversely proportionated to how fast the posting is.

Moreover, when you don't type real-time you usually have more time to think your thoughts out.
I've been meaning to reply to this post for several weeks now and it's only now that I found some time and headspace to do so. As such, my comment will prove more valuable than what I'd write on a whim (or at least I hope so).

I'm still a bit skeptical about this since images can add a lot of value, but mostly it's just noise.

I noticed even some good boards have this problem that the posts consist of an image and maybe 12 words. Moreover, GIF sharing threads garner more attention than the discussion threads.
I'd agree with you on that one.

No images would mean no porn or avatarfagging

There's always some way to identityfag, even when anonymity is enforced.
I agree on the porn, though - there literally are people who only come to various places just for porn.
4chan's /soc/ suffers from this - I'm pretty sure a huge chunk of its userbase aren't even people from 4chan.

who would keep sexual deviant groomers away.

Can you really do that kind of stuff on an anonymous imageboard? The only example I can think of was this bad /r9k/ trans psy-op cult, but they invited people to a Discord server and didn't use porn for recruitment...

Now the real challenge is how to build the community, so far I think the best method is to start with a very niche topic to discuss (like some obscure anime) and build upon it.

This board originally started as a YKK/ARIA discussion board, so you're on point to some extent. I wonder how many posters here still remember these times.
Building a community around a subject is inevitable in such cases - eventually, the subject of the board's existence will be discussed to death (while in some cases new content doesn't surface, like it often is for old cult-classic anime).

>>92

Security by obscurity, as some anon mentioned above, is the better method.

It's also tricky to get it right. Some places gain enough notoriety to turn into the imageboard equivalent of Fight Club.
Neo-meguca gets it right - you somehow have to discover the right domain for it, get used to the controls, lurk enough not to make a fool of yourself, pass some anime-based CAPTCHA etc.

a better topic would be some creative hobby rather than something you just passively consume

I agree, although it's decently hard to create a community based on creative things. 4chan's /diy/'s pretty slow/dead, since people a) don't do DIY daily, b) don't post when they don't have any results to show, c) the bar of entry is quite high.
Drawing communities, on the other hand, aren't that anon. You recognize people by their drawing style; some of them drop anon at some point in favour of pseudonymity and building their fanbases.

I'm also hoping for a return to html personal sites, neocities style.

From the technological standpoint we're already there.

A more decentralized internet would be exciting.

Totally. I only wish it was federated in some way.
Finding all these 8chan survivor boards already proves difficult at times.

>>95
What happened?

>>96

eventually, the subject of the board's existence will be discussed to death

This is very true, even the forums about Chris Chan either became about other weirdos or their personal lives. Communities need to be able to evolve or have some broader topic, even /m/ has accepted discussing sci-fi/cyberpunk in general rather than just mecha anime because of how long-lived the community is and everything old has already been discussed and or hasn't been translated.

Neo-meguca gets it right - you somehow have to discover the right domain for it, get used to the controls, lurk enough not to make a fool of yourself, pass some anime-based CAPTCHA etc.

As someone who has lurked there, there was some pretty interesting cultural stuff happening there.
The board itself changes URLs and is found so often because it is designed to be linked to. It is a "streamboard" and is linked to on 4chan and r/a/dio commonly.
The anime based captcha also is easily bypassed by just clicking the character that appears multiple times.
It also essentially just a discord server that occasionally talks about 4chan meta, but the quality fluctuates depending on the year and day moreso than most board. Most of the old guard has already fucked off to discord or "bunkers" which are more obscure and often have posters intimately familiar with each-other so I don't think it's necessarily the best system.

I only wish it was federated in some way.

There is (was?) a webring when 8chan first died. The problem with federating sites like imageboards is that the administration/userbases of such sites get ornery about each-other because of the different philosophies they have.

What happened?

Aside from the big boards becoming shitty they just sort of fizzled out, Probably because the teens who ran them grew up. Not a message board but http://www.baka-updates.com/ is a good example of this happening to a lot of the 2000s imageboard-wapanese crowd.

As well, the Baka-Updates team continued to grow older. An increase in responsibilities with work and new families meant that we could not commit as much time into maintaining the website. Therefore we have decided it is the right time to shut down.

>>96
The constant hyping of something like this which doesn't need to be exaggerated brings in and creates the really bad type of elitist, this eventually ruins the community making it no longer about anon internet culture and brings in pseudo hell elitist who end up doing revisionism and replace anyone or anything even related to anon internet culture beyond surface ideas at most. Then the clowns end up pissing on the corpse. They're still pissing on the corpse nonstop and have been for almost two decades now. Rather have it seam like something boring and undervalued so only those who truly want it come. This hasn't only happened with anon internet culture but doing "it's the future™" causes it but humans need pride, the best way to destroy a movement is demoralisation. This is one of the biggest problems with anon culture, avoiding way too much unnecessary ego without making a walled garden, since that isn't close to anon internet culture and tracks anons. Textboards get part of this right since there's no media unless you encode and part messages but if this is pushed as an artificial barrier it only increases the chance that those elitist start growing.
This is completely separate from orange stickmen bringing in green and pink stickmen but similar, incorrectly handling meta kills.
>>97
Other weirdos was fine and related, the forum users' personal lives and influx of weirdo idols using the forum was the meta which ruined them. The latter wasn't avoidable forever for this exact type of community.

>>97
When it came to the CWCki, the most natural way for them to keep the community alive was to discuss other "lolcows". I'd even say it was pretty easy for them.
Now /m/, just as you mentioned, had to generalize more, since there's not a lot of /m/-tier content coming up these days.

The board itself changes URLs and is found so often because it is designed to be linked to.

Partially. They only seem to kill off the domains when /pol/-tier people flood in using them. Other than that I believe I've seen a direct link to it once (on this textboard nonetheless) and you can get in from r/a/dio if you know it exists and are lucky enough.
Dunno about it being linked on 4chan, because I don't go there much.

It also essentially just a discord server that occasionally talks about 4chan meta

Nah, not only. They have a pretty good community with groupwatches and events, discuss a fair share of their own board culture (also related to r/a/dio)... the topics vary from history to coding, and it's all on /a/.

Most of the old guard has already fucked off to discord

I recall someone saying the spin-off Discords that some namefags made in anger were mostly dead. Besides, is the old guard better? Their community right now isn't the worst.

There is (was?) a webring when 8chan first died. The problem with federating sites like imageboards is that the administration/userbases of such sites get ornery about each-other because of the different philosophies they have.

There still is, but some 8chan splinters (e.g. /late/) aren't hosted on anon.cafe nor julay.world, and as such sometimes don't end up being part of the Cross-Chan Alliance/Imageboard Federation.

Not a message board but http://www.baka-updates.com/ is a good example of this happening to a lot of the 2000s imageboard-wapanese crowd.

They literally stated that fansubs becoming obsolete was one of the reasons to shut the whole thing down.
I think Hongfire might be a better example. But in general, sure.

>>98

but if this is pushed as an artificial barrier it only increases the chance that those elitist start growing

And half of the discussion will be about how to get the damned system to work.

>>98

incorrectly handling meta kills.

A lot of people are turned off by meta it seems. For non-imageboards people talk about how they could never get into Mastodon because half of the discussion is about the software and federations itself.
>>99

Hongfire

Damn, I remember downloading 3DCG stuff from there. Good times. Poking around, it looks like it succumbed to bots and went down and the owner didn't bother.

I'm also glad to hear you can enjoy Meguca. I don't personally care for liveposting and the fluctuating nature of the userbase isn't for me.

I recall someone saying the spin-off Discords that some namefags made in anger were mostly dead.

Mostly. There are some that are still alive because of how many were made. There's even a "true" discord. It became an overly elitist mess like that other user was saying due to excessive meta.

Besides, is the old guard better?

Aside from nostalgia, they used to DJ a lot so there was more variety. Even today you have some staff members who are dearly missed but that just might be nostalgia.

I personally think that because of the graying demographics that frequent sites like these, this sort of culture will become like proper BBS or other things of that nature. Niche, slow things that have their dedicated users (aside from an internet adventurer poking around like you see on occasion). and I think the slower nature of textboards is part of why they are catching on. Textboard users don't mind waiting a week for a reply.

It's kind of sad seeing it get like this when a decade ago everyone and their mother had an imageboard, but if even an echo of the spirit persists I will be satisfied. Things change and people aren't sure how to bring it back, everyone is trying their own methods in vain it feels like.

>>99

And half of the discussion will be about how to get the damned system to work.

You got what you asked for with meta but the system doesn't exist out of nowhere. It's almost unavoidable and definitely causes useless ego growth. Anon culture is really hard and only had a chance of surviving before due to the network not being that important.
>>100
Meta is vague but fediverse is mostly about the software and federations by design, they should get turned off. Pawoo and the likes do get users by making fediverse invisible and instead about "pawoo" but having completely ignorant users doesn't work for these systems and causes walled gardens that are vary likely to cut off in the end.

Textboard users don't mind waiting a week for a reply.

I wouldn't generalise and depend on that.

The current situation revolves around meta or catch-all generals because people's interests today are just specialized shopping, and shoppers want more stuff to buy rather than quality things to cherish
This leads in turn to interests that are shallow by design so it's hard to be nerdy about them

>>102
Another reason to despise generals but this thread became a general and I never liked this thread.
I really don't think these types of sites are a good use for serious discussion and movements.

There are no more serious discussions to be had.

>>104
I've only lied once the post but I agree with this and am a huge hypocrite.

>>102
The current situation revolves around catch-all generals because userbases of boards are so small that they cant sustain organically created threads. Consider that the biggest webring has a userbase that looks like this: https://i.ibb.co/K6ntgdM/Capture.png
I think meta is so popular for the same reason, people are anxiously awaiting the next big trend to hopefully appear, especially because of the transient nature of imageboards. Boards come and go, but they have possibly lost too many users to keep going.

>>1
sorry for bumping just getting to the first thread

>>97
i wrote a federated textboard
http://0chan.vip

>>69
"Culture, culture, culture" let me remind you that this is an example of social media.

>>109

Imageboards and textboards aren't social media you zoomer.

They've deleted it for some reason? Also, the amount of altchans with discord servers skyrocketed.

>>111
This is a good time to join the IRC chat at #ykkaria on irc.rizon.net, IRC is this new and fancy protocol that is totally radical, you don't want to miss out on it.

>>112
IRC is outdated and only dinosaurs use it. Join my Discord server instead: https://discord.gg/g4ynU5

>>112

Closed irc federation you cant peer into with your own ircd.

Why do modern irc chatters do this?

>>113
Your link is dead ;_; . Please post a new one .

>>113
Lol it wasn't supposed to work. If you look closely, the link says "gaynus".

Invite me to ur discord servers Dash#3031

Discord sux. Use IRC.