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61 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 12:08
>>60
༼ ._. ༽ have you noticed the gravestone behind the great apple tree? https://web.archive.org/web/20200926200234/https://afternoon.dynu.com/paper.pl?page=GreatTree
(whispers into your ear)
it is evil, and the gravestone has been slowly corrupting the tree and its apples since the beginning of time. the malum malus have always been forbidden fruits to eat, however.
meanwhile in the real world, the full moon will be making its appearance on october 31st. the magic of the moon's light will be at its height then, and it will empower the gravestone's own dark energies. strange beings of supernatural origins have already started to gather around it ever since we were ensnared into the gravestone's world.

the commercial break is going to end soon. i suggest you buy a useful weapon. the world we are going back to is a dangerous place.


========================
‖ ITEMS [$@$]‖
‖ CANDY APPLE 9 ‖
‖ RARE CANDY 10 ‖
‖ APPLE SPELLBOOK 20 ‖
‖ GHOST CATCHER 20 ‖
‖ HOLY WATER 20 ‖
‖ VOODOO DOLL 20 ‖
‖ STAKE 20 ‖
‖ TENTACLE WAND 20 ‖
‖ WITCH'S BROOM 20 ‖
‖ ??? 100 ‖
========================

༼ ._. ༽ノ[5@$]
you now have 10 [$@$].
62 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:09
>>61
(15 apple dollars)

I'd just like to interject for a moment.
63 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:10
>>62
(20 apple dollars)

What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
64 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:11
>>63
(25 apple dollars)

Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
65 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:12
>>64
(30 apple dollars)

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it.
66 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:12
>>65
(35 apple dollars)

Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
67 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:13
>>66
(40 apple dollars)

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
68 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:13
>>67
(45 apple dollars)

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
69 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:14
>>68
(50 apple dollars)

The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system.
70 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:16
>>69
(55 apple dollars)

Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux.
71 Name: RMS : 2020-10-26 13:16
>>70
(60 apple dollars)

All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
72 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:17
>>71
(65 apple dollars)

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'.
73 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:18
>>72
(70 apple dollars)

The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler.
74 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:18
>>73
(75 apple dollars)

Those are fine and inspired products.
75 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:19
>>74
(80 apple dollars)

GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.
76 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:19
>>75
(85 apple dollars)

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.
77 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:20
>>78
(90 apple dollars)

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later).
78 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:21
fuck I replied to the wrong thread

>>77
(95 apple dollars)

He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends.
79 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:22
>>78
(100 apple dollars)

Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux?
80 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:22
>>79
(105 apple dollars)

Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you.
81 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:23
>>80
(110 apple dollars)

You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff.
82 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:23
>>81
(115 apple dollars)

The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so.
83 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:23
>>82
(120 apple dollars)

Linus has spoken.
84 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:24
>>83
(125 apple dollars)

Accept his authority.
85 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:24
>>84
(130 apple dollars)

To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
86 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:25
>>85
(135 apple dollars)

(An operating system) != (a distribution).
87 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:25
>>86
(140 apple dollars)

Linux is an operating system.
88 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:25
>>87
(145 apple dollars)

By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer.
89 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:26
>>88
(150 apple dollars)

That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use.
90 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:26
>>89
(155 apple dollars)

However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs.
91 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:27
>>90
(160 apple dollars)

In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution.
92 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:27
>>91
(165 apple dollars)

Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF).
93 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:28
>>92
(170 apple dollars)

Go bug the distribution makers on that one.
94 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:28
>>93
(175 apple dollars)

Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware.
95 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:28
>>94
(180 apple dollars)

At least there you have an argument.
96 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:29
>>95
(185 apple dollars)

Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever.
97 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:29
>>96
(190 apple dollars)

Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
98 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:29
>>97
(195 apple dollars)

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem.
99 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:30
>>98
(200 apple dollars)

XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions.
100 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:30
>>99
(205 apple dollars)

More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux?
101 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:31
>>100
(210 apple dollars)

Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux?
102 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:31
>>101
(215 apple dollars)

Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted.
103 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:32
>>102
(220 apple dollars)

Yes, I know you've heard this one before.
104 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:32
>>103
(225 apple dollars)

Get used to it.
105 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:32
>>104
(230 apple dollars)

You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.
106 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:33
>>105
(235 apple dollars)

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric.
107 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:33
>>106
(240 apple dollars)

There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution.
108 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:33
>>107
(245 apple dollars)

You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important).
109 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:34
>>108
(250 apple dollars)

However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance.
110 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:34
>>109
(255 apple dollars)

I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.
111 Name: Anonymous : 2020-10-26 13:37
>>55
(260 apple dollars)

I'd like to buy 1 candy apple, 1 rare candy, 1 apple spellbook, 1 ghost catcher, 1 bottle of holy water, 1 voodoo doll, 1 stake, 1 tentacle wand, 1 witch's broom and 1 unknown thing

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